Some of the voices that criticize the sedevacantist position, claim that it is just protestantism in a new form. Concidering that most of these voices come from members of the novus ordo, it just makes the following document more tragic and outragous. Who is the real protestant here? In 1999, leaders within the "Catholic Church" met with diverse representatives of the lutheran heretic religion to sign a JOINT DECLARATION on justification!! First they liftet the excommunication of Eastern heretics, even though these people had not repented of their false teachings earlier condemned by the Church, or changed any of their believes in any way. And now this joint declaration with the Lutherans. How could this come to pass? It is simply because the novus ordo no longer believes in the bulla Unam Sanctam, and therefore they claim that the anathemas from the council of Trent against the heresy of "sola fide" (faith alone) no longer applies. This does not mean that the novus ordo teaches sola fide, only that the doctrine is no longer condemned by their sect. Some would claim that Ratzinger could not be blamed, because he was not present at this meeting. But Ratzinger has many times refered to this joint declaration and strongly encouraged others (like the methodists) to join in during public speaches. It is also completely pointless for members of the novus ordo to reject or criticize sedevacantists based on the false argument that it is "protestantism.." After all, protestantism is no longer a condemned heresy according to their sect, and protestants are according to them a part of the invisible body of Christ, and not outside of salvation. Obliged to share faith with their imposter "church" they are therefore forced to accept these heretics, and according to their definition, even sedevacantists. It would also be completely pointless, yes, even a crime against unity, for a member of the novus ordo to try and convert a protestant to the novus ordo. According to the novus ordo this would be called the act of "SHEEP STEALING", and is not allowed.
Joint Declaration With the Lutherans on Justification, 31st of October 1999, part 41:
(vaticancatholic.com och vatican.com)
"Thus the doctrinal condemnations of the 16th century (from the Council of Trent), in so far as they are related to the doctrine of justification, appear in a new light: THE TEACHING OF THE LUTHERAN CHURCHES PRESENTED IN THIS DECLARATION DOES NOT FALL UNDER THE CONDEMNATION FROM THE COUNCIL OF TRENT.”
1) Joint Declaration With the Lutherans on Justification, 31st of October 1999, paragraph 26: ”According to the Lutheran understanding, God justifies sinners in FAITH ALONE.”
2) Joint Declaration With the Lutherans on Justification, 31st of October 1999, paragraph 21: ”According to the Lutheran teaching, HUMAN BEINGS ARE INCAPABLE OF COOPERATING IN THEIR SALVATION, because as sinners they actively oppose God and his saving action.”
3) Joint Declaration With the Lutherans on Justification, 31st of October 1999, paragraph 26: ”…Lutherans…intend rather to express that JUSTIFICATION remains free from human cooperation and IS NOT DEPENDENT UPON THE LIFE RENEWING EFFECTS OF GRACE IN HUMAN BEINGS.”
4) Joint Declaration With the Lutherans on Justification, 31st of October 1999, paragraph 29: ”LUTHERANS UNDERSTAND THIS CONDITION OF THE CHRISTIAN AS A BEING ’AT THE SAME TIME RIGHTEOUS AND SINNER.’ Believers are totally righteous, in that God forgives their sins through Word and Sacrament and grants the righteousness of Christ which they appropriate in faith. In Christ, they recognize that they remain totally sinners.”
5) Joint Declaration With the Lutherans on Justification, 31st of October 1999, paragraph 29 : ”..Lutherans say that justified persons are also sinners and that their opposition to God is truly sin, THET DO NOT DENY THAT, DESPITE THIS SIN, THEY ARE NOT SEPARATED FROM GOD and that this is a ’ruled’ sin.”
And now what the REAL CATHOLIC CHURCH says in the Council of Trent:
1) Pope Paul III, Council of Trent, session 6, chapter 10, ex cathedra: ”You see, that by works a man is justified and NOT BY FAITH ALONE (James 2:24)”
2) Pope Paul III, Council of Trent, session 6, canon 4, ex cathedra: ”IF ANYONE SHALL SAY THAT MAN’S FREE WILL MOVED AND AROUSED BY GOD DOES NOT COOPERATE by assenting to God who rouses and calls, whereby it disposes and prepares itself to obtain the grace of justification, and that it cannot dissent, if it wishes, but that like something inanimate it does nothing at all and is merely in a passive state: LET HIM BE ANATHEMA.”
3) Pope Paul III, Council of Trent, session 6, canon 1, ex cathedra: ”IF ANYONE SHALL SAY THAT MAN CAN BE JUSTIFIED before God by his own works which are done eother by his own natural powers, or through the teaching of the Law, and WITHOUT DIVINE GRACE THROUGH CHRIST JESUS: LET HIM BE ANATHEMA.”
4) Pope Paul III, Council of Trent, session 5: ”FOR IN THOSE WHO ARE BORN AGAIN, GOD hates nothing, because ’THERE IS NO CONDEMNATION, to those who are truly buried together with Christ by baptism unto death’ (Rom. 6:4), who do not ’walk according to the flesh’ (Rom. 8:1), but putting off ’the old man’ and putting on the ’new, who is created according to God’ (Ef 4:22; Col 3:9), ARE MADE INNOCENT, IMMACULATE, PURE, GUILTLESS, and beloved sons of God, ’heirs indeed of God, but co-heirs with Christ’ (Rom. 8:17), so that there is nothing whatever to retard their entrance into Heaven.”
5) Pope Paul III, Council of Trent, session 6, chapter 15, ex cathedra: ”…the doctrine of divine law which excludes from the kingdom of God not only the unbelievers, but also the faithful who are fornicators, adulterers, effeminate, liers with mankind, thieves, covetous, drunkards, railers, extortioners (1 Chor. 6:9), and all others who commit DEADLY SINS, from which with the assistance of divine grace they can refrain and FOR WHICH THEY ARE SEPARATED FROM THE GRACE OF GOD.”
Præfektura apostolica Poli arcici- The Polar Prefecture
Norway was partly converted to Christianity already in the 11th century, although the heathen believes continued to stay strong in certain regions of the country. In the 17th Century the nation was turned over to protestantism by force after the so called "Reformation" and a Lutheran "State Church" was imposed on everybody. For more than 2 Centuries it was forbidden to practise Catholicism in the region. But in 1855 the See of Rome was able to start a new mission in Norway and the Polar Region; the "Præfektura apostolica Poli arcici." And even though most Catholics abandoned their Catholic Traditions in order to be accepted by the Second Vatican Council sect, there are still Catholics left.. People who wish to stay faithful to the Teachings of the ancient, never changing Catholic Church, with it's Papacy, Doctrines and Traditions. People who reject heresies like modernism, freemasonry, false ecumenism and "salvation" in foreign religions. Regular Catholics in other words.
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Sunday, November 7, 2010
Heretical joint declaration with the lutherans!
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Hello. Thank you for this information. It has helped me refute various heretics. I am currently looking into interpretations of "baptism of desire" and "baptism of blood" that allow for water baptism, even by a Saint from Heaven, before death. Right now it seems the most sensible solution to harmonizing the various teachings of Saints and the dogmas of Holy Mother Church, yet I submit my understanding of this complex topic to Holy Mother Church.
ReplyDeleteHi! I hope your investigation of "baptism of desire" and "baptism of blood" ended well. I firmly believe in God's providence, and therefore He would never allow a person of good will to die without baptism. The desire for baptism itself would not save a person, but God would surely provide opportunity for baptism before the time of death for such a person. If the desire was enough, why do we have numerous examples of Saints raising unbaptized individuals from the dead in order for them to be baptized? One Example is St. Francis de Sales who raised an unbaptized infant of a protestant mother from the dead, because it had died without baptism. When it comes to baptism of blood, the Church mentiones this in relation to catechumans.. In the early Church, you were concidered a catechuman also for the 1st year AFTER your baptism. When you were baptized in blood, it means that martyrdom removes the penalty of actual sins in the same way that baptism does, but only on already baptized persons. Baptism of blood does not remove ORIGINAL SIN.
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